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On Twitter, and Tumblr, Gail Simone has called for attention to be paid to the Arkh Project. This turns out to be a Twitter account ( http://www.twitter.com/@thearkhproject ) and a Tumblr ( http://thearkhproject.tumblr.com ) and (of course) an IndieGoGo fundraising page that looks a lot like but is not a Kickstarter ( http://www.indiegogo.com/The-Arkh-Project ) for a proposed fantasy video game. As for why Gail Simone was calling attention to it, the reason is in their FAQ:

This game is not the game to watch if you would like to see a lot of cis straight white characters. This game isn’t the one to play if you want to see one or two queer people or one or two brown people to spice up the variety.

Those games exist already. For the latter, many companies are coming out with the resident token brown person, the resident token queer.

The point of this game is to show that we’re tired of being tokens. We want to be the main characters, the supporting characters, the focus. This story is about the marginalized, the fetishized, and the tokenized.


This got my attention. Because I know a lot of people who REALLY VERY MUCH WOULD WANT something like this, or at least would be very happy to know it was out there. I'd be very curious to see what the reception and sales of such a game would be like, and how such a game would affect the marketplace, but being a straight white guy who doesn't play much in the way of video games, I am not the target audience. Still, I know that hunger is there. So my first thought was of all the people I knew who would be happy about this.

My second thought was of DUDEBRO II.

I've posted about DUDEBRO II before. In December 2009, on the NeoGAF forums, one member confessed to having rented Imagine: Babyz Fashion, and finding it a really enjoyable gaming experience. Gaming forums being what they are, his masculinity and sexuality were immediately impugned, to which he replied, "So, I'm a pedophile because I don't want to play Dudebro, My Shit is Fucked Up So I Got to Shoot/Slice You II: It's Straight-Up Dawg Time?" Immediately, of course, everybody on the forum realized that what they wanted more than anything in life was *to actually play just such a game.*

And so it began: they photoshopped box art, wrote cut scenes, designed characters, started programming, and began to make it as a freeware top-down shooter.

I checked on the Dudebro folks intermittently for a while. They had a lot of talented people working on that project. Really talented. Great character design, appallingly sophomoric macho humor, and horrible, horrible puns, straightforward action concept.

And it's been vaporware since 2009.

So I thought, "Wait a minute. Can the Arkh Project people actually do this?"

And then I started Googling, and things began to get squirrelly.

Let me call your attention back to the IndieGoGo page for a minute. (Why IndieGoGo? Kickstarter doesn't let you keep the money if you fall short of your goal. IndieGoGo does. This is explicitly why the Arkh project chose IndieGoGo.)

Not an auspicious beginning. It becomes less so when you see that the Arkh Project is trying to raise one hundred thousand dollars. This sum is broken down into multiple subgoals: $3900 for 13 character concepts (this goal was met while I was writing this). $8200 for 39 environmental concepts. $5000 for 25 monster concepts. $4,000/month for 8-10 months of programming, so around $40,000 there. We're up to $57,100 now. Then there's $6900 for 3D main character modeling and $10,000 for 3D monster modeling. Animation is currently volunteer but is projected at some point to come to another $12,000 (no explanation as to details there). Total's up to $86,000 now. User interface design is $1000-2000, and environmental design (50 buildings, 27 wall/floor sets, 250 items) is $16,000, plus another 150-200 weapon/armor/healing items for an additional $8,000. This comes to $112,000. Or, as the Arkh Project folks put it:

"That would run this game approximately $100,000, accounting for the wonderful volunteers who are helping us create this. Depending on volunteer work, we may need as much as $250,000 to provide quality work."


Never mind that they can't add. That's… a bit *vague,* isn't it? "We could need X dollars. Or, y'know, it could be 2.5X dollars."

Which raises the question: do these folks know what they are doing?

When somebody is asking for that much money, I think it is only fair to know who these somebodies are -- which, in this instance, is the same as asking "what can they do?" I don't need to know the names they were born under, but at the very least I would like to see something they can point to and say, "We did *that.*" I asked about it on Twitter, and they said that they'd put all that on the wiki when it was up and running. Evidently they didn't think it was worth including in their project FAQ, but they do give you some links, and between those and some Googling, what I found struck me as odd.

This is the info IndieGoGo offers up:

The main head of this project is Riley, a trans* person of color who is working with the group Rosegold to complete this project, as well as other, extremely talented people.

Rosegold is a team headed by Kia and Erin, a Black queer woman and a Japanese woman. They both have extensive experience in writing, and mostly handle 2-D games.

The inspiration for the project came from Riley, a queer trans* person who has supported Rosegold by getting the word out.


Okay, points for identity politics, but can these people make a game? *Have* they made a game? What are Kia and Erin's extensive experiences in writing, exactly? What has Riley gotten the word out about? Which is Riley: a supporter, or the main head of the project? Has Rosegold actually done something that we can look at and decide if they have the chops to pull off a game worth a hundred-thousand-dollar investment?

Well, sort of. Their indiegogo links to a DeviantArt page, ougaming.deviantart.com, and mentions another Rosegold game involving queer characters. More about that in a bit.

ougaming turns out to be short for (maybe changed from) Kinou Games. kinougames.com has a blank front page, now, but the rest of the site is still up, and you can find your way to it. There are some members listed in the sidebar therein. There have been some reshufflings since, and I don't know if any of these folks are with the group now, but this looks rather more like a fannish group than a professional one:

Seira: 
Fearless leader with a passion for Japanese language and the culture. Specializes in literary matters. The literary one with an eye for art that allows Sei to also do some great design work on the game itself. No matter what's said about anyone else, Seira is the meanest one in the group, no contest.

Shogun
: A nickname for our fearless leader!lite; she programs and graces us with her amazing color skills, as well as heaping helpings of biting scruples. If it's ugly, Shogun will give it the smackdown, and is probably the largest hand in quality control you'll ever have.

Razu: 
Everything you've seen with lines so far has passed through the master hands of Razu. She's the artist you watch that makes you more and more jealous with every sketch she uploads.

Loreen: 
Rounding out the party, Loreen is also part of our art cell. Her color stylings are the top of the barrel, and she's serious with love for this project and her work. She brings quite a different and necessary style to the table.


Seira was interviewed in April 2011 by Gaming Angels and had some interesting things to say:

Spokesperson Seira of Kinou Games tells us that their group makes dual language releases, with voice actors in both Japanese and English as well as JP and English text Their goal is to encourage the inclusion of both languages in the original version of the game, and work with a Japanese doujin group called ZeroZigen who also supports including an English language version in Japanese games, and, ultimately, doing an exchange; having English-speaking game makers include a Japanese version. … Coming at the end of May will be a game reminiscent of Princess Maker; a raising sim where you bring a little kid to adulthood. It’s mostly a lighthearted fantasy game, and is an introduction to the world players will explore in subsequent games.


So, evidently the Arkh Project is not the group's first gaming project. Great! We have something to judge their ability by, then. Right?

Quick, Quick Update.
24 June 2011

YES, WE ARE SORRY, WE ARE LATE. D:
Some things went a little downhill and delayed us until the end of this month, however, we are going forward at AnimeExpo and JapanExpo as planned, and the game will be open for demo downloads and preorders at that time.


Oh. Okay, well, I'm sure we will --

The Really Long Update Post-O
6 August 2011

First off, we do apologize for the small disappearing act. Exhaustion + more work + errors = too much time. The last 1% of the game went sort of out of wack and we wanted to fix up some issues before putting it out there.

That said, we think the fixes will be worth the wait, and we will be at Comiket and Comitia this month in Japan.  The demo is also coming~

AX was exhausting. Our group had a pretty substantial drive ahead of them with a bunch of hard copies of Papa Pirate, Baby Bandit and cosplay in tow. There was kissing and schmoozing and hanging out with Sayuri Studios and Sakevisual at the booth. The cosplays were light and airy, at least! Our Adela cosplayer unfortunately got ill on the last day, so we took a rest and headed back a bit earlier than scheduled. Unfortunately, the con wasn’t set up as well as we would have liked, and we will probably avoid it in the future because of those issues, but, we’ll likely hit Yaoicon instead. 

We ARE also underway on Mitsumata, with about 50% of sprites completed already, and 10% of the backgrounds done. The game is fairly long, with a script of about 80,000 words, not including minigames, puzzles, battles and extras of all kinds.


Okay, well, then --

Later:
Quick New Update~!
7 August 2011

The demo is completed 100% and will be coming out at the end of the week. We encourage you to download it and try it out.  It runs you through the first three years of the game~ \o\ /o/ \o/
It’s been a long road, but we hope you enjoy it! We’ll be spending the rest of the week until then preparing for Comiket and revamping the sites to be nice and prettyful to prepare for mass downloading.

There are also some pretty large changes going on within the group structure itself, which we will give a posting about as soon as it’s finalized, but you might notice things vanishing and reappearing over the next couple of weeks as the team goes over what to do with them.


The rest is silence.

Um.

The short version is that there are two games that Kinou and Rosegold worked on, before the apparent split: 1) Mitsumata and 2) Papa Pirate, Baby Bandit. I can find no indication that either Papa Pirate, Baby Bandit or Mitsumata ever were released. I do know that "Papa Pirate, Baby Bandit" never made it to Japan Expo, because Razu says so on her DeviantArt page.

Let's look at the quality of the work. Here's some stuff from Papa Pirate, Baby Bandit. The drawings are fine, typical DeviantArt manga stuff, and then you get down to the video sprites and you go… "huh."

Did anything beyond character sketches get done? Well, RoseGold Games (that's Kia and Erin, remember) has a YouTube account, and there is some gameplay footage of Mitsumata:











Let me just reiterate something here: these people want you to give them a hundred thousand dollars.

The latest wrinkle has to do with the Arkh Project going viral. It seems to have happened on the 24th of January. Here's Arkh's post about that:

Yesterday, notice was received from Kate at Indiegogo that part of #Arkh’s pitch on indiegogo was “unlawful”. Namely, that the lines about using the money to hire queer people and PoC artists were “breaking anti-discrimination laws”. Now Arkh’s goal is to not only make this game, but to use the money to support the community at the end of its goals, the queer community and the PoC community. Therefore, it seeks to pay either queer developers or developers of color, because those communities are notoriously left out of the gaming industry, to the point where if they do manage to get a job at all, they are ridiculed and harassed until they quit.



I changed the pitch immediately and mentioned to Kate that I was upset about it. Kate responded with this:



* * * * * * * * * *
Thank you, I appreciate that!

Just to give you some context, we had someone threaten us with legal action because of that clause on your campaign. We’re having our legal advisors take a look at whether or not those two sentences violate any “law, statute or regulation”. I’m hoping that the answer is ‘no’ so that you can return your pitch to the way it was, but I need confirmation from our lawyers first.

Thanks for your understanding, 

Kate


* * * * * * * *

All I have to say to the obviously cis straight white jerk who is angry that you can’t, once again, make money from queer people and people of color? To someone so upset at not being able to have everything in the world you made that ridiculous attempt at us, that even Kate at Indiegogo made sure to thwart? 



Thanks. Really. :) You’re so selfish that you cannot bear to see something that doesn’t include you, something made for someone that isn’t you. You could spend your time playing any one of a million other video games just for you, but you attack what is, for so many, the one chance they will EVER be able to see themselves in a fantasy game of a high level.



That’s pathetic.



But it’s okay.

Things like this are exactly what the community needs to be pushed into going farther than they could have ever gone before. The fact that you went that far to try to stop us only guarantees that we’ll succeed. We’ll succeed and I’ll make sure to leave a SPECIAL message in the game JUST FOR YOU. :)

Your racism and queerphobia only served to further my agenda.

To all supporters of the Arkh Project and its philosophies:

Spread the word, folk. There are cis straight white people actively making attempts to shut us down because they hate us having anything for ourselves just that much.

Arkh is going to be Indiegogo’s Campaign of the day tomorrow, 1/25/12.

Now is the time, queer folks and non-white folks. Spread the word. Tweet #Arkh. Tweet everyone you know. Tweet writers, tweet artists, tweet famous people and tweet your cousin’s aunt’s sister. Blow it up. Blow it up so that we’re unstoppable.

Do not let the oppressors beat us. We are here, and we aren’t going away because they don’t like having to share.

Edit: To anyone complaining about the title of this post? The SPECIFIC individuals trying to shut down Arkh are ACTUALLY cis, straight and white. It is a fact, not a generalization.


The resultant signal-boosting has led to Gail Simone mentioning and supporting the Arkh Project on Twitter and Tumblr, and to the Arkh Project gaining wider notice, even becoming an apparent crusade. They've made more than $4,000 so far, and people are looking to set up the Arkh Project as a champion.

The problem with making the Arkh Project a champion is that, as seen above, it has *one hell of a glass jaw.*

Here's another thing -- maybe complete coincidence, might not be related at all, but the chance it is alarms me a little. Remember when the Arkh folks said they would put all the info about in the wiki when it went up? Turns out it kind of sort of is up. And they list a bunch of people involved: no Seira, but Ash, Dr_Rent, Riley, and of course Rosegold. Ash has a tumblr, and one of his posts on the 24th was a reblog of the Arkh Project's "Cis Straight White People Are Trying to Shut Arkh Down." Another was a signal boost for somebody who needs $30,000 dollars for surgery this weekend.

Two big signal boosts, both of them involving donations of large dollar figures, starting on the same day?

This is where I get out of the pool.

Somebody who knows SPN fandom and Tumblr needs to jump in, I guess, because I don't know who might be for real or not. The person reportedly needing surgery for endometriosis is Sashi, "yourdarlinglittlesammy" on Tumblr. Mooselikejagger is also talking it up. I don't know the players here, and when people start asking for large amounts of money, *you need to know the players.* And I'm not in SPN fandom, I'm not on tumblr, I don't know anything, folks.

Even if this other sudden need for $30,000 is not a scam, or is entirely unrelated, I would be very reluctant to give any money to the Arkh Project. I know how badly folks would like to see a kick-ass game with queer characters of color, but at the very best the Arkh Project folks are quixotics who have yet to successfully release a single one of their projects, and who have decided the next appropriate step is to ask for $100,000 to $250,000 (they're not sure yet!), to get freelancers to design and program their next project for them. I am not in software, but *I do not see that working.* Even assuming the best case scenario and the motives of angels for all involved, I would not expect people who have failed to administer two small-scale, low-money projects to then turn around and successfully administer a six-figure project.

The worst case scenario is obvious.
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From: [personal profile] alexandraerin
If you think two unrelated signal boosts being blogged in a row--one for a person seeking funds for a personal crisis and one for an indie project--is a red flag on Tumblr, you must either not follow a lot of people over there or you must spend a lot of time getting out of a lot of pools.

"A sudden need for $x" isn't really all that sudden... or rather, it's always sudden. And it's always happening. People need support, they make a post, it gets reblogged. Those who don't have the resources to help reblog it so that more people will see it. It's just good karma. On any given day, my dashboard sees about half a dozen requests for aid, a couple of indie project fundraisers, and maybe a dozen missing person alerts. This is part of what Tumblr has become. Its dynamics aren't like that of a typical blogging site at all, the "reblog" feature makes it better for spreading word fast and wide than being a typical personal blog.

I mean, if you look at my Tumblr blog at a time when it has two seemingly unrelated requests to help find a person, are you going to suspect I'm up to something nefarious?

The Arkh folks haven't had a project yet. This is their first one. Rosegold is offering support (I believe mainly with 2-D concept art and signal boosting/networking with people, but I'm not intimately connected) but the whole purpose of raising so much money is because the organizers know the game will require expertise its organizers don't have, and this expertise costs money. The wildly varying total that's such a red flag to you is a matter of being realistic and optimistic: $250k is the total projected cost, $100k is an initial total to shoot for with the hope that they'll be able to get some services free or deeply discounted for the cause. If they get $100k and they're not there... well, the fact that they made it that far gives them momentum.

That's the whole point of doing small fundraisers to begin with and then growing them larger. Think of each stage of the project as a proof of concept for the next one. Baby steps. Yeah, this thing could fall apart. Yes, it's ambitious for a first project. Don't chip in or boost it yet if you're skeptical about where they're going, but there are enough people out there actively trying to throw sand in the gears.
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From: [personal profile] alexandraerin
Yeah, you really don't know Tumblr culture. No, you shouldn't give your money to something you don't understand, but the biggest thing I take away from your post is "There are corners of the internet I don't understand and I feel comfortable holding forth at length about them." The fact that those two posts came across a blog at the same time doesn't mean they have anything to do with each other. In fact, if you check the notes on them, you can trace their entire provenance and see that they took unrelated paths to reach that point.

Use your brain here. Assume both requests for aid are entirely scams. How does that make it any less of a coincidence that they popped up at around the same time and were reblogged by the same person (one among many who did so for each) at the same time? I'm assuming you're not thinking that one person decided to do big money scams at the same time in the same place. So is it two people celebrating International Bilk a Rube Day, or what?

If assuming ill intent doesn't explain the timing any better than assuming good intent, why does the timing make you wary?

If you'd followed the Arkh development conversation on Tumblr since its inception, you'd see that Arkh's been talked about and had smaller fundraising before the IndieGogo viral push was made, and that the project's originator/chief enthusiast Riley was reluctant to do Kickstart or IndieGoGo so early in the development but the demand was there (hence the "inauspicious" decision to go with IndieGoGo over Kickstart... this project wasn't going to end or begin with a single fundraiser no matter how well or poorly the first went, which would make Kickstart's all or nothing model an unnecessary gamble. Seriously, do you think everybody who chooses the more flexible fundraising page is running a scam? It's not like it's impossible to take the money and run on a successful Kickstarter.)

My point about Rosegold being supporters is that Rosegold Games's practical gamemaking experience isn't being relied on make the game happen so much as their enthusiasm for games is driving a few of them to help with what is going to be a massive project. If you try to read what's happening as an attempt at following the ordinary game development path, yeah, it's natural to look for the game developers and conclude that these Rosegold folks are it. But this project is only six weeks into its development cycle. It's well before the "technical" stages. No one wanted or expected it to blow up so quickly, but with the demand and enthusiasm there right the fuck now it would be foolish of Riley not to start channeling it.

If you looked at what's going on and just thought, "Well, it's too early for me to be comfortable that this is going anywhere." that would be one thing. But you seem to be saying, "Well, it's too early for me to be comfortable that this is going anywhere, therefore I'm pretty sure it's a scam." and that's just really kind of a dick move.
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From: [personal profile] alexandraerin
All I said was requests for aid gets reblogged regularly. I'm not in a position to say how often those requests are met. As another commenter mentioned, though, some communities of color make use of the pass-the-hat method of social safety net to a greater degree than more privileged white communities do.

Tumblr is one of the few places where these efforts frequently become visible to those of us outside the community and spread beyond it (because communities on Tumblr on are porous) . Disdaining it as a suspicious behavior just because you're unfamiliar with it is demonizing a much-needed resource.

Your other objections come down to the fact that you are saddled with expectations based on the things you're familiar with.

There isn't a "core team" of people with technical expertise to point to yet because this game is being built in a different direction through a different process than the standard "game development team/company" model.

Is this new approach workable? I believe so, but then, my own career as an indie writer is based on doing things that people regularly tell me are impossible. The final answer remains to be seen. But the fact that they're going outside the usual channel doesn't mean that they have something to hide.

They're being perfectly open. The fact that the answers aren't what you expect doesn't mean they haven't been given.

For goodness sake, the project is a month and a half old at this point and only really started picking up attention in the last week and a half. If you think that's too soon to get enthusiastic about it, that's a valid viewpoint, but at the point that it's still a fetus you're complaining that the wiki doesn't outline the whole game and throwing around the word "vaporware" because of it.

This game's being discussed in a channel you're not plugged into, but you still know more about it than you do most games that are six weeks old. The conversation on Tumblr is hard to follow if you're not on Tumblr, but it's there and out in the open and in public in a way that a traditional game's design discussion wouldn't be.
From: (Anonymous)
DAAAAAMMMMNNN

I smelled the burning flesh though my monitor, I wonder if he's still desperately searching the internet for his imaginary proof or if he gave up and crawled away in defeat.

It's a shame that the targeted community will pour their resources regardless, just due to the nature of the project, when something so much better could come from that time, effort, and money if it actually went to an organized, efficient group.... who actually knew what they hell they were doing, and didn't just blame everything they ruin on THE WHITE MAN!!11one! *sad face emoticon*
From: (Anonymous)
1) I like how you stopped answering once hradzka asked you for actual evidence of stuff these people have done in the past that makes them worth supporting.

2) You do realize Riley is gisei_nashi_ni, don't you?

Date: 2012-01-26 03:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] azurelunatic
I am currently trying to help with a low-budget, low-scale project, with a number of players that I have known/known-of, and keeping things cohesive is a real problem. Lots of goodwill, lots of good ideas, but maintaining focus/purpose/drive/momentum is a big big thing.

I don't know the players here either, but these are valid questions.

Date: 2012-01-26 04:13 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You should have opened with this statement found nestled toward the end of your... informative post: "[...] I don't know anything, folks."

Date: 2012-02-08 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
i saw this linked in the sf_drama post on livejournal. it's mostly about the originator being a lying, manipulative jerk. I think you make a lot of valid points as do the commenters there. i don't understand why you asking pertinent questions is seen as something be defensive towards. thearkh project meets a very small demand sure, but they should have started out small and not asked for money. oh well, i need a few gs to pay off my student loans, maybe _i_ should start a tumblr berating people and ask for money for some sort of amphorous project with a goal that's even less clear.

http://sf-drama.livejournal.com/3330212.html

Date: 2012-01-26 04:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] brownbetty
I think you're reading far too much into this; people who undertake projects primarily because they believe in them rather than because the research indicates a market exists are, not too oddly, more likely to be people whose projects go bust. People who are in multiple intersecting minorities are more likely to be part of a community that survives by pooling funds to help members through emergencies.

I mean, it doesn't necessarily speak to the likelihood of their success in this project, but I don't think there's any reason to assume dishonesty.

Date: 2012-01-26 09:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rydra_wong
This. Signalboosting someone else's call for money for emergency medical expenses doesn't read as inherently suspicious to me at all (god knows I've done it enough times).

There's a whole other question about whether they have the experience or organizational resources to bring this to fruition, but I'm not seeing any particular reason to suspect dishonesty.

Date: 2012-01-26 10:22 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rydra_wong
But that's "signal-boosting someone else's request which might be hinky" (evidently multiple signal-boosts down the line). At the very worst, that's "naive and getting suckered by someone else," rather than "all part of a giant conspiracy".

I'm honestly not seeing how it's related to the solidity or not of Arkh, which makes it feel like you're reaching.

Date: 2012-01-27 10:07 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rydra_wong
*shrugs* I think "they signal-boosted something after a long chain of signal-boosts from other people" is a very tenuous link.

And a medical crisis which might possibly be a scam is a very different kind of hinky from the other potential hinky here, i.e. whether they have the skills/resources to make this something other than vapourware.

I'm not a gamer, I don't know any of these people and don't have any dog in this fight; I think it's perfectly legit and reasonable to be asking questions about who they are and whether they have the capacity to bring this off.

But pointing at the fact that one of them linked to someone else's medical appeal really seems like a stretch.

Date: 2012-01-26 03:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alexandraerin
The gameplay footage is not "the Arkh folks". The first time you say that it's a mistake. When you repeat it, it becomes a lie.

Date: 2012-01-26 07:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alexandraerin
The IndieGoGo profile says this: You can look here and read the entries for a game by Rosegold soon to be released, that also has a focus on queer relationships. It says that Rosegold is helping with the project. I can see why when trying to fit what's happening into a familiar model you might come to the conclusion that Arkh is just another incarnation of Rosegold... that's a leap though not a huge one... you've been informed that's not the case and you're still repeating it. At this point you're arguing in bad faith.

The actual development team is still coming together. What's unclear about that? If that puts this whole thing in the "too soon to commit anything to it" category for you, that's perfectly fair, but you're looking at the project manager and a couple of volunteers and going, "You know, I don't think these people can make a game all by themselves." and it's like, what do you think the money is for? Somebody wants to buy themselves a hundred thousand tacos?

Date: 2012-02-08 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
http://sf-drama.livejournal.com/3330212.html

originator of the arkh project is lying scum. you should choose your friends better. i'm also a person who is a minority on multiple levels, but i would never accept money for something i can't actually produce.

Date: 2012-02-08 06:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] brownbetty
It's a good thing your're here to anonymously police my imaginary relationships.

Date: 2012-01-26 07:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] morineko
Tumblr for fandom fundraising: getting vast amounts of money, or asking for it, must be a thing specific to very certain projects and fandoms. Someone very prominent in Tumblr baseball fandom ran a blogathon for Doctors Without Borders. $2000 in a weekend. Didn't make the goal, and this is with it getting signal boosted all over Tumblr, Twitter, and SBNation. January is probably a crap time for fundraisers anyway, but...yeah.

Date: 2012-01-26 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Wait, isn't this Riley person dumbthingswhitepplsay on Tumblr (who I have long suspected to be gisei_nashi_ni), and isn't Kinou Games run by gisei_nashi_ni? Sounds like confirmation to me. DNW anything to do with this person.

Date: 2012-01-27 09:19 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
http://sf-drama.livejournal.com/3225031.html

This is gisei_nashi_ni, or rather, a post about their awfulness. I know, sf_d is a cesspool, but this is the best writeup of their kind of terrible behavior.

On their journal, they talk about Kinougames and how they're a part of it. Kinougames only has one non-binary staff member, gnn. Riley from Arkh Project is non-binary and from Kinougames. Which means they have to be gnn.

The way they talk on their dumbthingswhitepplsay tumblr is also very very similar to how gnn talked in sf_d and bad_rpers_suck posts. That in itself wouldn't mean anything, but it's just a little more evidence for the pile.

Date: 2012-01-27 06:50 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] fusil
FWIW (as a fanatic tumblr user and someone who has been following the arkh project for awhile), I'm pretty certain that the two call for dontations are completely unrelated (though whether or not the supernatural one is a scam, I have no idea and won't speculate on it).

That said, I share a lot of your concerns about the arkh project and from reading their tumblr, I find them somewhat unprofessional (the white supremacy thing, posting uncredited photos for future character/enviroment references, and some other stuff) and have doubts as to how they plan to pull off an AAA title when they seem on unprepared.

Date: 2012-02-08 04:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] vethica
I'm still trying to figure out Arkh's legitimacy and/or connection to GNN, but a) as far as I'm aware Sashi really did need urgent surgery (and was able to get it), and b) reblogging a post asking for donations doesn't in any way mean you're connected to it. It certainly doesn't mean you'll make any money off it; the money would go to the person who originally made the post, would it not?

Date: 2012-02-08 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Well, actually, I have been following Kinougames for a while, as they used to sound like a legitimate indie game maker. The game that they first tried to release, Papa Pirate Baby Bandit was actually released a while ago, and apparently they also took preorders when they were in Anime Expo.

I was excited when they released PPBB, and downloaded the demo almost immediately upon release. It turned out the game wasn't really playable, and full of bugs. So I wrote my comments on their DeviantArt journal, and suspiciously, they deleted the journal right after I posted my complaints.

Then they posted a journal saying that they apologized and will try harder to fix the bugs. Only to never heard anything about PPBB ever again, instead they moved on to making Mitsumata, their flagship Visual Novel. They promised of releasing Mitsumata on Christmas, but it's already February, and there isn't any news about it at all.

And then, I found out about The Arkh Project, of which the way the creator wrote sounded completely like Seira, the leader of Kinougames. Even though both seemed to claim to be different people altogether, their behavior suggest that they are indeed the same person. Kinou claimed to be fluent in Japanese, but it turned out that she commissioned people to translate what she wrote into Japanese, in order to hide her inability to speak the language. She also claimed to be the one who created all the pixel arts in PPBB, this also turned out to be a lie. She actually commissioned them.

Well, take that what you will. I just hope people would think twice before actually investing in something that may not eventually get released.
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Read it and judge for yourself: http://dumbthingswhitepplsay.tumblr.com/

Here is an image of something else they wrote: http://i.imgur.com/PrKEm.png

Judge for yourself if you think people should donate 100,000 to this person.

I agree a game for queer POC would be great, I think this is a scam.

Date: 2014-02-22 12:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] deadmaster
I only recently came across this, but I thought I'd add in that soradiesinkh3 at tumblr is in fact Riley's main tumblr, and she DEFINITELY is not the kind of person anyone should be wanting to give their money to, no matter how great the promised result (which lbr it's not gonna happen more than likely) looks.

Proof would be the following link, which is where it was first connected to her other identities mentioned here (or atleast gishei_nashi_ni one), although she's going by Rook there? If you change the tumblr urls of the provided links in the main post to soradiesinkh3 though you can see for yourself the kind of things she says to people...for example going from page 3 onward as of right now with how she is treating asexuals, although it seems she has said lots worse. Ick.

http://sf-drama.livejournal.com/3435010.html?thread=646983170#t646983170

Sorry if you were done with this topic, I just had stumbled across it today and had seen you mention wanting to see how she is and I feel it's important people really do realize the kind of person that is asking for their money.

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